S2E17 with Isaac Sabu - Tuning Into Wellness

This week on the JUST DO YOU. Podcast, we’re diving into a conversation that bridges science, spirit, and sound with a truly remarkable guest—Isaac Sabu. Isaac’s story is one of resilience, innovation, and deep purpose. An immigrant from Iran, Isaac carved out a career that most only dream of—spending over 20 years as a cutting-edge sound engineer, designing IMAX theaters and building some of the world’s most advanced automation systems. But that’s just the beginning of his remarkable story.

What sets Isaac apart is his ability to fuse high-level engineering with ancient healing wisdom. He is the founder of Biotune, a groundbreaking company using frequency-based technology to promote wellness on a cellular level. He’s also the creative force behind Spirit Journeys, an experiential platform that has brought countless immersive meditation and cultural healing experiences to life in just the last three years—helping participants reconnect with their inner selves through sound, storytelling, and community.

Isaac’s work doesn’t stop at innovation. He is deeply committed to service, offering therapeutic sound sessions to veterans and individuals facing mental health challenges. His mission is clear: to bring the healing power of sound to underserved and marginalized communities—people who are often left out of conversations around wellness and access to holistic care.

In this episode, Isaac shares how sound was, and can be a powerful tool for healing trauma, regulating the nervous system, and reconnecting to purpose. We explore his personal journey, the science behind frequency therapy, and why now—more than ever—we need modalities that speak to both the body and the soul.

This is a conversation that will expand your mind, ground your heart, and perhaps even shift the way you think about healing.

As a special gift to our JDY. listeners, take advantage of Biotune's core program, TUNE IN, TUNE OUT, RESTORE & TUNE DOWN and their 30 day free trial, visit https://mysoundwise.com/soundcasts/1747859182099s?c=JYD20

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Transcript

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Hello everyone. Welcome to the Just To You Podcast. My name is Eric Nicole, and I'm your host. If you are a first time listener, welcome to the conversation and if you're a regular, I'm honored that you've decided to join me for another episode. I. The Just Do You Podcast is centered around a network of conversations, which are meant to connect us, to inspire us, to find our own confidence, our own voice, and to live our own truth. And who knows, we might even learn a little something new that ultimately allows us to live in the sweet spot that I like to call the Just do you space of being. Each week, I have the privilege of sitting down for unscripted conversations with friends, family, colleagues, community leaders, and influencers that all share their own personal journeys. I hope that you enjoy our time together as much as I have. We are certainly gonna laugh, and yes, we might even cry a little, but in the end, we are gonna know that we're not alone during our life's journey. So are you ready? Great. Let's do this. Welcome to the conversation. All right, everyone. Welcome to today's episode. I am so excited today to welcome my guest who I met earlier last year at an industry trade show event. And I knew from the moment that I spent some time with him that he was gonna be a guest on the podcast. It's taken a little bit time to get him here, but I'm super excited to welcome this morning, Isaac Sabu. Hi Isaac. It's a pleasure to be here and to finally do this with you. We had the opportunity earlier this week to get on a teams call with a couple of people that I was really interested in introducing you two through your work and we had a really great conversation. And I have to say as we get started before I introduce you and let our listeners know who you are and get into this conversation it's a strange time in our world, obviously with all the things that are going on, and I found. The last couple weeks I've been traveling extensively and although the travel's been extraordinary and I've been to some amazing places and had some incredible experiences, when I come back home and come back into reality, there is this heaviness and this space of chaos. And when I hopped on the phone or on our teams call to introduce you to Janina, and we had this conversation, I left the conversation so empowered and so much lighter. And it wasn't that we necessarily talked about anything incredibly specific but we just got to know each other and got to introduce two people that I think are out to change the world and. Enhance people's lives through their own journey. So I'm gonna take a second to introduce you, and then I wanna get right into this conversation about what you're up to in the world so that people can know about you. So for our listeners, Isaac is a visionary, sound engineer, inventor, and wellness innovator whose journey began as an immigrant from Iran. And with over two decades of experience designing things like imx theaters and advanced automation systems, Isaac has been at the forefront of audio innovation. He's the founder of Biot Tune. Which is how I met him, the vehicle in which we met, which is a trailblazing company in frequency based wellness technology. We're gonna get into that. And he's also the Creative Spirit Journeys, which has delivered more than 60 immersive meditation and cultural experiences over the past couple years. And what I love about Isaac is that he's deeply committed to healing people through sound, which is something that we don't necessarily hear, no pun intended a lot about. But he offers sound therapy sessions to veterans and individuals struggling with mental health challenges. And his mission is to really take these transformative therapies and make them accessible. So welcome Isaac to the Just You Podcast. Wow. What a introduction. I'm humbled. Thank you so much. My pleasure. My pleasure. It's so nice to have you here. As I said as I was gleefully discussing who you are and who you are for me. We met, like I said, last year at an industry event just I. Bumped into each other. I volunteered and came upon your space. And for our listeners the space was a opportunity to introduce the meetings and events industry to various modalities of wellness. And it's interesting these days because wellness has become a little bit cliche perhaps, or a little bit misunderstood. And so when we look around the room, there were some amazing technologies there for all sorts of opportunities to enhance your life, to get centered, to get present, to relax, to meditate. And I was drawn to Isaac and his bio tune product without my own intention, but intentionality from someone to bring us together. So Isaac, would you just do us a little bit of a favor? And before we get into the meat of the conversation just explain what that day was like for you, if you can. That was a profound day. I've had this vision to bring depth into the wellness space. This cultivation of the intention of really providing deep healing and wellness spaces that recenter us was the foundation before entering into the wellness environment. And to be able to see the feedback and the responses from people coming out of the session, maybe with tears out of their eyes, maybe saying that this is the deepest calm that they've ever experienced in a 20 minute session was really a foundational moment for me. Because we had done a couple of those events, but that was something that we did back to back for a whole day and gathered all of those responses that was really a powerful, experience and a red a refining moment in, in our journey of knowing that this is what our mission is to be able to take this into spaces that usually people don't expect to have those kind of connections, self connections and experiences, and to refine and redefine what it is what wellness really is what we're trying to achieve in those kind of spaces. And if I may please I think the hospitality, the spa industry and the wellness industry has is such a beautiful space because they create these safe and gorgeous spaces and you have some of the best therapists in the world leading these kind of experiences, massages, aesthetic treatments. And what I've seen is that they're great, but it's like just covering the surface. And the past couple of years with integrating this into those spaces, I've seen the opportunity to really go deeper. Yeah. And so that's what's exciting for me. Yeah. And I think what's so fascinating for me in that space of my own people, if you will, in my industry is and I'll probably get some flack for this, so I'm just gonna say it anyway, is that, and I'm sure it's the same in other industries as well, but I. We have created in an environment, and I don't know if it's because of technology or if it's because of expectations, but I notice in my world that my fellow planners never take time for themselves. We are on twenty four seven. We never put the phone down. I won't name names, but I've seen some of these planners go to yoga in the morning prior to a wellness session, and they're checking out their phones while they're doing some sort of pose or they're doing breath work and checking out email, and I've been fascinated by that and also a little bit. Saddened by it, because one of the things that I think is happening, I don't think I know is happening is that we are trying to fit this wellness conversation into a gap. And what we need to do is we need to educate and have the participant or the client, if you will, if this is going outsourced, to understand why it's important to take these moments, why it's important, what's the benefit of a 20 minute session with Isaac prior to going into a general session or in between sessions or as a part of component of this program. And it's not just for corporate. It's for personal. I have friends that are constantly on their phone. I'm guilty of it. Doom scrolling, spending too much time. Yeah. On those things that are not helping them with their journey. So we're gonna go back a little bit before we really talk about Biot tune and how you found this space and how you started out on your journey. But I'd like to go back a little bit farther. I know the current Isaac, but I'd love to know a little bit about Young Isaac. Where were you born? What was that experience like, and where did your journey start? That's actually making me a little bit emotional to tap back into that space, especially because of the landscape of what's Yes. Happening in the world. Right now. I'm from Iran. I'm an immigrant. I came here when I was 12 years old. I grew up right at the revolution, the Iran Revolution, and then the Islamic Republic took over and really the first 10 years of my life was consumed in war. And I did not really understand the impact of being in that environment, of what it did to me and how it defined my nervous system, my the chaos that I had adapted to be my normal way of operation. Then I came to the United States when I was 12. I went to Italy first as a as a refugee, and then got my visa and came here with my family got married. And really it was after my divorce that in my late thirties that I started to unravel all of the things that had gone on. And the, half the reason that I'm here today, or maybe a lot of what has to do with why I'm doing what I'm doing is I got so much reprieve from sound therapy and. I, I have had such a connection to healing or soothing. I didn't understand. The sound was a healing mechanism. I would just repeat some words to myself as a kid and I would hum certain things and I would play certain songs that would make me emotional or change my mood. So I inherently understood those things. But I never understood that this is a mechanism for actually addressing our our mental health or addressing our our traumas, our pains and so forth. And it was really after college that I connected the dots with music therapy. And I understood that, oh, there's a whole mindset and a school out there that studies the impact of music and frequencies. And at that time it was very basic. It was just like, oh, classical music improves your cognition. So it was really rudimentary. But that's what intrigued me back in 1996 and 19 98, around that time when I started hearing about the impact of music. So that's a yeah, I can't imagine the. Experience of that first decade of your life, and then immigrating as a refugee to another country, which was obviously very different than where you came from, but different in a unique way. And then to come to the United States, very harrowing journey. And I think we hear a lot about those experiences. So I will say that I can't imagine what that was like and what you've had to unpack and what you've had to process for yourself through this journey. When you went to university, what were you studying? Was it anything related to this or was it completely something? I knew it was something else. No I'm a Persian Jew. We either have to become a lawyer, doctor, or an engineer. That's true. Pick one. Pick one. Yeah. Pick one and go. Yeah. That's funny. That's funny. But you did go the engineering route because because you got into this whole I, imex or imex and. And sound technology and that kind of stuff. So how did that come about? It came about from my passion of music. I really wanted to be a musician. I wanted to dive into being a sound engineer for movies and but my parents were like, you're wasting your time. You need to go into the business aspect of things. Because obviously it became apparent that I'm not a, I'm not built to be a doctor because from a side of a needle I pass out. So that was not gonna work. No. Not a good idea. Nope. And I was sensitive enough that I knew that I could not. I could not be a lawyer and stand up for things that I did not right believe in. The pursuit of sound became really the the driving force. And I was in choir and band, and my parents did not really support that. So I went into production of how to be able to create the chain of producing and then the the environment to be able to make sure that your reproduction is played back in the most authentic fashion. And then learning all acoustics. And I've done everything from hands-on to building the systems, hands-on, engineering, wiring to system design. So I've covered the whole gamut. And that background, which I really, for a long time. I'm like, why did you, why did I have to grind through all of this? But that grinding through all of those different steps gave me the foundation and the skills that I needed to be able to apply to where I am today. Sure. So it was foundational. Yeah. So let me ask you a question because as I sit and listen to you, a lot of that is very technical, right? So I wanna talk for a second about,'cause you've mentioned it a couple times. Tell me about some of the feelings. What are some of the feelings that you have when you hear music? I get goosebumps. I transcend time and space. I get out of my head and get into my heart. And a lot of times. Music can be used for many different things. To uplift mood, to bring us and connect us with our emotional space. For me personally it's a spiritual experience. It's really a spiritual experience. I feel that the frequencies of music has a capacity to transmit emotions and intentions, and when someone is a master at their craft and they're sitting down with the right kind of space, it's the unspoken word, it's millennia or thousands of years of. Tears that have, don't have words to be expressed, that you feel in that instant. And that is the power of music that it can be able to portray such a wealth of emotion and depth that cannot be put into words. I think people, yeah I love asking that question because for me, I am a big music buff as well. I don't like concerts. I don't like big stadiums full of people. It's too much energy for me. Uhhuh. Some call me super bougie'cause I like it in a box sitting up in my own space to experience it. I love that. I like being on the floor.'Cause it's just too much energy. Yeah. But music for me has always been that space to to lift me up. I think I'm a closeted backup singer for some. Yeah. But. I remember some training that I had when I was doing sales that before you made a call, before you had to make your cold calls to do something that inspired you. And I can remember Justin Timberlake's song and I would dance around before I had to sit down and make 20 calls. I would dance around my house with that cranked up'cause it got me going, right? Yeah. It's that, it's and yet at the same time I'm very, and as we're talking about this, like I'm just recalling these experiences where music can bring you to laughter, it can bring you to tears, it can bring you to introspection. And I don't think people pay attention to what is that connection. When we're in a movie, we're trying to focus on the content or the storyline and we're not focusing on the fact, why am I tearing up when. Said character is singing a song or there's background music. I get moved by background music at times in some of those films. This is so corny, but one of my favorite movies is the Holiday. Just'cause I'm in love with Jude Law, but I love that movie. But there's a scene where there's no spoken words, it's just the music. And I cry every single time. And I bring this up because, not to make myself mushy and sappy, but to maybe have the listeners start to recall some of the experiences with music that make them the most happy, make them the most not the most, but calm and what are some of those experiences. And to tap into that because these days I notice if I don't have background in my world, I work from home. If I don't have background on I get very distracted. So I turn on spa music from the spa channel on Spotify and it just puts me in that space to work and. In the morning when I shower, I turn on my Dua Lipa. So I dance around the house. So I want people, as we're looking for ways to cope and to get through this kind of chaos and craziness that we're going through, is to find that which works for them. I have a friend who listens to nothing but musicals, but I wanted, there's a whole story about that, but we'll save that for later. I want to talk for a minute about those frequencies that you mentioned and how that relates. I guess we should just jump right and talk about Biogen,'cause that's the whole experience, right? Is that opportunity. But talk a little bit about what your conversation is around how music makes that effect on someone. And you can be as scientific as you want. Yeah. So it's, I will say that the journey I. Started for me from a state of being curious. So when I first experienced that connection between the realm of technology, music, and that it can be used for healing was in a space that was foreign to me. So I was at Burning Man and I was invited after 20 years of in introducing, building these elaborate systems that was for entertainment and was for enhancing the audio experience. We used transducers in a floor and then I witnessed, we built this vibrational dome that was right on the playa and people were coming in and we were hosting these musical journeys. And during. Certain times that there was no musical journeys. People were playing instruments and singing, and the floor was vibrating to the effect of their, the music that was being playing. And I witnessed reactions that was surreal. Like people were really immersed in the whole experience and having healing sessions, having profound journeys of relaxation. And that's what, when it clicked that I can be able to converge these worlds, that music can be used for healing. And then from there, I came back and I built. A massage table. And I traveled for a couple of years just giving sessions. I'm like, does this actually work? What? What does it do for people? And in that space, I started realizing, and I had no idea about frequencies, which we'll dive into in a minute. Intentionally using sound to be able to cater different emotional states and different conscious states or subconscious states. I started realizing that some people were passing out and to the point that I couldn't even I would try to wake them up. I would lift their arms, nothing. They were out. Some grown ma men breaking down in tears, like their whole shell was broken and they were tapping into a deeper part of themselves that they had kept so tight. And I'm like, how is this happening? How's it that some people are falling asleep? How is it that some people are breaking down and what is the mechanism that's driving this? So that. That state of curiosity is what helped me to dive into the dynamics of sound, which I had never been exposed to before. And started talking to neuroscientists, started talking to doctors so I can understand the nervous system, and I could understand the brainwave of the brain and the brainwave states and how that forms our consciousness and our outlook in life and the different states of consciousness. And so with that, we started experimenting and then developing specific programming for the different states. And, our normal operation, our normal brainwave activity, is really designed for us to just be in the state of vigilance, hyper vigilance. I. To make sure that we're aware of our surroundings. That we are safe, that we're making sense out of our world. But it's really when we dive into right below that's beta and we dive into alpha. So the second that we close our eyes and we dive into this, what we call the threshold into the subconscious states, alpha and theta, that's the dream-Like states is where the magic happens. And that's where all the past memories come up. That's where all the the healing happens. That's where we tap into these, floating states of being out of body. And then delta and gamma is sleep and also super consciousness. Those moments of elatedness that we feel in life that we we have just this jubilance and joy. To get back into like, how did this all start? Yeah we went on this tangent of we have this tech, but without intention, intentionality, and an understanding of how we can craft these experiences and use the right frequencies and use the right the right soundscapes. This is nothing but another cool tech. It became very obvious for me that I want to be able to dive deeper and the intention of Biot Tune is for healing and addressing mental health and also our wellbeing on a day-to-day basis. Of just regulating ourselves and reconnecting with ourselves. Because you said something that was really key in our days of being so busy, inundated with these devices, with just running and doing, and we don't have a chance to really tap in. Yep. We don't have a chance to slow down. And really, those are the two most important mechanisms to disconnect from all of the noise and to slow things down. And that's what music does. And a lot of us have difficulty with just the simple mechanism of meditation. And what's really miraculous about music and frequencies and what we call entrainment and is that these frequencies can allow us to induce a state of meditation. And induce meditation is different than meditation because when you play these frequencies, these dominant frequencies, the mind follows that frequency. And after, before you know it, after about 15 to 20 minutes, you've emerged into a deeper landscape. So this is the magic of how sound affects us. And then you layer on top of it all of this emotional landscape and what music does and touches our soul and touches our heart. And now you are our spirit. Now you are really dancing. With the spirit. Yeah. Earlier this week, as I mentioned, I introduced you to Yanina from Costa Rica. Yes. And as you're talking, I was taken right back to my experience with her in Costa Rica at the resort and a session that she did. And yes, when you talk about, and you mentioned, we don't ever take a moment to stop and to breathe and to center. I think there's also an important element as we talk about healing and we talk about wellness is that we also don't, I. Many times take an opportunity to really deal in the moment with the trauma that we've experienced, whether it's in that moment or before. And leading up to that trip to Costa Rica, I had been three years silent about a very painful and unexpected experience of my divorce and losing the love of my life and my home and everything else that I had built, and then walked into COVID and the break, the shutdown and the quietness and the solitude, and then dealing with that and all of that. And I didn't deal with it. And I didn't take the time. And so when I was in Costa Rica and we laid down to do this meditation session, and she sang that mantra, the minute she opened her mouth, I could feel in that moment a deeper state of not only relaxation, but a deeper connection to all of that trauma and all of that pain that I had been suppressing and hadn't let out. And as I shared with you, and of course share a lot about that experience with her and then the experience that I had with you. And Biot tune is I let all of that go. And it was a probably one of the most freeing experiences. And as we shared and laughed about, I asked her to record that mantra so that I could take it home with me and that I could use it within my practice of meditation and those moments of, and needing clarity. And she made a recording and it had all these instruments that her husband was playing, talented musician. And I hated it. I couldn't get into it. I just needed her voice. Yes. And her, and the tone of her voice and that kind of experience. And so what I find fascinating and what I think people don't realize is that when they're in the car and they are maybe, or at home and they're listening to their favorite song, or they're listening to a song that has a great beat and they're feeling that moment of elatedness and happiness and solitude and connection, that's their healing moment and. At least this is my opinion. And if they don't take the time to identify what that is in the moment, they're missing the point. So yeah, it's fun. It's a great song, it's great music, but I want people to get to a space that say, I'm gonna take this five minutes and listen to this song that I love, or into this meditation tape that I love, and really get into and tap into what I'm feeling because we have that five minutes of elation and happiness and the song's over, and we fall right back into our pattern. You hit on something really important, intentful listening. We've lost that as a habit. There was a time that we would take out records or CDs, look at the cover, read all the things, put the CD in. It was a ritual. It was a ritual. And we took time to be able to sit in our chair and then listen to an album and go have an experience. Music was an, listening to music was an experience because you really have to carve out that time to be able to do it. And now that it's become background, it's lost that magic. And, a whole, one of the key components of what Biot Tune is simply is to bring back intentful listening. Where you're not only listening, but feeling the music in a way that you've never felt before. And the vibrations are. Immersing your body, that's definitely the a key factor of it. But that depth when we go to a concert and we feel the, those low frequencies and the music hitting us, and that all has an effect. That's why we go to concerts because it creates that elated feeling in us. So a, a deep part of what I'm doing with Biot Tune is figuring out how to create those moments that we are so engaged in the experience of listening to music and allowing the frequencies and everything else to encapsulate us and touch us in a very deep way. And then also to let go of everything that's in the outside world. So if we can be able to engineer it. Properly. All the mechanisms. So this way you don't hear the outside world. The music and the, it all sounds amazing. It's in, and then we can be able to use the right science to dive us into the relaxed states. Then we can have a profound touching experience through the Sure. Yeah. So let's get into Biot tune. So one of the things that I think is what you just said is really important is to have people realize that intentionality in music and in their listening is key. I don't think we think about that. I am gonna take on when I listen to music in the morning as I'm getting ready, is to use that as an intentional space. But I also want people to realize that these moments of listening to their favorite song or at a concert yes, are not meant to be a distraction from what's happening, but meant to pull you into a space of yourself. We are, I, we said this on the call. Earlier this week, we are all floating 20 feet above our bodies. We are not in our bodies. We are not even remotely touching ourselves, right? Lack of a better term. We're not in touch with ourselves, is what I meant to say. And we're already in slip. We'll just leave it in. We won't edit that out. But, we are so far outside of our bodies. And if we can use those moments to create, because I listen to music every time I'm in the car. I have my playlist, I have my podcast list, I have that opportunity of songs that make me happy and artists that make me feel yes, proud. So take that time, be intentional, use it as an opportunity to get connected to those feelings of happiness, of elation, of a memory that it brings you. So let's talk about Biot Tune. I need you. To explain, we don't have to go too deep into the weeds. Yeah. But explain that kind of technology, give the listener a little bit of that experience, and then we can talk about some of the some of the reactions that people have and some of the responses that people have given you and why it's important and let's just start there. Sure. So biotin is a frequency delivery technology that allows you to be impacted and induce meditative states through sound, light, and vibration. And effectively, you're either sitting in a chair, laying down on a mat or a massage table that has. Transducers equipped inside of it. And I'll explain what transducers are. And you have headphones and the vibrations in the chair or the mat relaxes, calms the nervous system. And then the frequencies in train, which is allowing us to be able to follow into a deeper state of consciousness. And then the vibrations have a third and very important mechanism of activating on a cellular level and releasing any of the trapped emotions, any of the things that we're holding onto. So those are the three mechanisms that are involved in a session. So don't brush past that.'cause I think that's important. Yes. And I want people to hear that. So the vibrations then, right? Say that again. Of what it does to release, yeah. It's different than listen, where normally we are we hear the music and and in this, we are actually feeling the music or feeling the frequencies. And those frequencies are immersing our whole body. And that's really the key. And it impacts us two to three inches into our deepen ourselves. And when those vibrations hit the intensity and the frequency and the wave that it hits allows us to be able to get tra transported into a deeper state of our subconscious mind. That's that's the right that's one of the mechanisms. The second mechanism is really the nervous system response. And that's really the key, I think, behind the impact of this. Experience. Is that the soothing nature of us being able to get out of the fight or flight of always being mobilized for action to preparing our body to get into a restful state? And then when we feel calm, safe, and rested, restful, then we can be able to release any of the trapped emotions. Because we are open, we're right. We've unlocked all of our mechanisms of Yeah. All of our mechanisms of, oh, I have to do this and I have to prepare, so then we're ready for tapping into the heart and the subconscious and also the body. Like all of this stuff that we've been talking about so far is up here, but everything trauma and all of the pain gets stored in the body itself, the body keeps the score, if anyone's read that book. It really showcases how all of these memories, all of these experiences, and it's not about trauma. It's simply when we have something that we don't have the time or the space to process the body holds it in. Until we have an opportune time to be able to process it. And that's what happened for you. You have three years of unprocessed emotions and that. Unpacked in an instant. Yeah. So if when we can create that space, then the magic happens, then all of the emotions get released. Yeah. And the body does what it does naturally because it has that innate ability to process those emotions and finally release it so we feel so much lighter. Yeah. You, so for our listeners, when he said it's all up here, he was pointing to his head, I wanna make sure that our listeners get that visual to where all this stuff lives is not in your heart, it's in your head as we typically get in our head about everything. I wanna say one thing about that. So I have this phrase that's probably not kosher to say, but I call it shaking the shit off the tree. So I love that. Yeah. So what I love about that description for you, from you is that was my experience. So for the, our listeners, when I. Before I volunteered for Isaac's segment or experience, I took it upon myself to experience it. I wanted to know what it was about. And I have done some of the most incredible things around the world with my travels and my journey of my own wellness. Yeah. And so I've done some pretty cool things. And I'm seeing this mat and I'm just gonna be honest with you, Isaac, I was like, oh gosh. It's another, it's because my head goes to how kitschy can we get in this industry with stuff, with wellness stuff is it, and what is this? And the mat? And I'm like looking, and people are all cuddled up and their blankets and they've got their headsets on and, and I'm looking at faces I love to watch and experience and there's people who are, like you said, catatonic. And there are people who are smiling and some people are crying. But I get on this mat and lay down and cover myself up with the blanket. And within the first. Couple of moments. You start the process with your voice and you're walking us through getting into that state of relaxation, because let's face it, we're human and our brains are operating at 5,000 miles an hour. So you, and you've got this amazingly soothing, sultry voice that just instantly puts you into a deepened state. But so that process is you setting us up for the experience and then you let us go through this journey. And it was really remarkable. I had recently, prior to experiencing, you had a similar experience sitting in a chair at another wellness event that was not as impactful because it didn't have the music and it didn't have that same component. It was great. Same thing, resetting those nerves, getting your body to feel, but with you, it was interesting. So I finished the session, felt amazing, felt very much at peace. Did release many things through that process and walking through that journey. But then I had the experience of being your wingman, if you will, and bringing people into the space, getting them set up, tucking them in with their blankets. And what I loved was watching how they all came out of the experience, because as I've said before, I think we walk in, it's, it is amazing. We're not all bumping into each other and into walls and into things'cause we're just, I don't know where we are. I'm trying to practice to be very present and to be very much in my body and taking the time to even literally pinch myself so that I bring myself back into me. But I remember watching many people come out of the experience, and you've talked a lot about how beneficial this practice can be because of the technology, because of what. Research that you've done to bring this to people. But I also wanna say that I believe in this wellness journey that we're all on in this space of finding peace and finding happiness that we, the participant, have to be open and ready for it as well. Yes, you can put someone on a chair in a bucket of cold water, put them anywhere, and if they're not ready and open to have that experience, then it's just another experience. And one way that I think is key to having people have these kind of experiences is to ask themselves, is what I'm doing currently to process my emotions, to feel centered, to feel balanced? Is it working for me? Or do I find that I'm doing much more of the same? And if that's the case, what am I open to? To do a little research, to listen to a podcast like this, to get into a conversation that allows that person to be open, to experience something. Because I know many people who I share things with, like Sound Bowl healing. They don't get it right. There's just not. I like, are you open to it? Are you opening to experience it? And the answer is no. And so when people are open to something different, something new, I encourage them to really be present in the moment when someone like you was walking them through the process. Because what I love about what you did in that moment. And I know that you're doing this with your veterans and other people is that your intention is clear and you're having them create the intention as well. And so I just, I just wanted to say that because I think technology can be phenomenal. Yeah. But if that person needs to be prepped and encouraged and educated on what that experience can bring them I think that's a phenomenal point. And it goes back to intentionality. And I think that, with a lot of the tech out there that gets lost you go to, I'll use this example because I've seen it a lot in ketamine clinics. You they feel that the therapy is the medicine that they're providing you, and they don't set the time up. Maybe there's a plaque to be able to set intention, but it's not really, I. It's not part of the process. And so when I create these spaces, first of all. I, as the facilitator, have to make sure that I'm in the right space myself. Yep. And I have done my work to to be grounded because that matters a lot. Number two is to invite others to set their own intentions for the experience and to surrender, be in a space of. Not knowing and be comfortable in a space of curiosity. And that is really, I feel that's the key component for being shown, because if we think that we have all the answers and we're in a state of not even looking for something that's outside of ourselves, we're never gonna find it. But when we become curious to maybe, I don't know, everything, maybe I, there's something that I need clarity on, maybe there's something that I need to let go of and what is that for me? Then that can reveal itself is when we open that space up for it. So I always invite people into that space first. And I feel that safety is a key component of this. Working with, those that have had complex. Traumas and PTSD and and in any kind of a ceremonial space, that's really the, yeah. The key mechanism is make Yeah, I've feel safe. Yeah. I've always said that I am, I. Frustrated that we don't make a lot of these modalities and a lot of these opportunities and experiences part of our education do, we teach math and English and science and history and all that, but we don't teach how to, relate to other people how to get connected, how to be in tune with our own bodies. We don't really teach that at the age where we should. I sometimes feel frustrated that I didn't find this space and this journey and this path until I was, into my thirties. Same, yeah. What my life would've been like. As in college, oh my gosh, college could have been such a happy experience if I know man was in touch with myself and all that. So I, I think it's so beautiful the work that you're doing with the veterans and the marginalized communities in creating these kind of lasting and me meaningful changes in their lives because. We're not given those tools. We're not given those opportunities, and yet we're asked to do things sometimes that are monumental, whether you're, a veteran and having gone through being deployed or in combat or seeing the things that we will never know how they affected you. My dad was somebody who could have beautifully benefited from an experience like this as a Vietnam vet and the things that he saw that changed him and caused, him to live a life that was hard to watch and painful. And also being a psychologist or a psychiatrist and Oh wow. Yeah. Not ever being able to, he could help. So many people Yeah. But could never help himself. Yeah. And I always wanted to get him on a bed like this or, sink him into that immersion, experience I had in Africa with the VO healing and water and I just thought all these things could have just been so beautiful for him. But the work that you're doing in those marginalized communities and with the veterans is really transformational because, and I don't mean to keep going back to our current state, but there's a part of me that has a thought that we are going through this chaos and this disruption and this divisiveness to get back into our own bodies, to get back to being present so that we can be with other people. Because if we can't be with ourselves and we have all of these issues around our own being and who we are and who we've become, then there is no way that we can be for other people. Yeah. Man that's it brings me back. If I didn't have that experience of the war that I had lived through if I didn't have the pain and the traumas in my life, and those all are not something that I'm a victim to, but those are op, those are things that gave me the opportunity and the sensitivity. And it really took me a long time to be able to realize that and gave me my mission of why I'm doing what I'm doing. So before I knew it, before I had become awakened to this process, I was a, I was numb to it. I, it was driving me. But when I had the opportunity to work through all of those things and realize that the that all of those experiences led me to have. An ultra sensitive heart to be an empath, to be empathetic towards others, to be able to relate to their pain. And that's what is, that's the driving force behind the work that I do, is because I can understand, I can feel what other people have gone through. And then not, the fact that as a kid I didn't have those tools. The fact that I was numbing myself for many majority of my life, I would say till my late thirties. The fact that I didn't have the ability to live an authentic life and I was searching for all of the out. External things to be able to hold onto that define me. That made me feel safe instead of really tapping into what my true power was, which was the what these experiences had given me. The power of the heart, the power of feeling others, but it was so overwhelming for me. Feeling was so overwhelming for me that I, and I didn't have the tools to be able to process it and handle it, that I just shut everything off. So when I realized and I went through my own healing process and I allowed myself to then worked through that, then I became someone that could hold space. For other people's experience that are going through a similar journey. And it, I watched this movie it was actually a documentary in Armenia. About an 11-year-old boy that was living through the Living in Arts, which was a part of the country that became worn, torn, and then they got displaced and tears just throughout the whole movie, throughout the whole documentary. I was just streaming tears were streaming out of down my, my, my eyes. And I like it brought me back to the 11-year-old that I was, that didn't have the tools, didn't have the capacity to soothe, and then carried the effects of that, of resorting to all kinds of unhealthy numbing mechanisms to just be able to make it through life. Whether it was smoking, whether it was food, whether it was sex, whatever it was. I've dealt with all of the addictions to be able to get to this point of, I understand the root cause of those addictions is because I can't regulate myself. I reach for unhealthy things to be able to soothe. So here's the real talk it, that this is the true mission behind why I do what I do, because I want to provide other kids and other people that have had, that did not have the opportunity or don't have the opportunity to. Self-regulate to change their state to understand. So when I'm working with veterans, it brings me so much joy to be able to give them the capability and show them that they can be able to, they're in power, that they can be able to affect their own nervous system, that they have the tools to be able to self-regulate, that they can be able to put themselves to sleep in a matter of 10 to 15 minutes instead of relying on pharmaceuticals that they don't have to take anxiety medication, that in 15 minutes they can be able to be in the deepest calm that they so we are not reliant. We have all the tools that we need within. That's really my mission. I want to be able to take this, I would love to see this in schools. I would love to see this in communities. In the Middle East where I'm from. To take this to the Middle East and help those. I feel that's the way that we can fight this war. It's not fighting it through going, at least for me to marches or military coup or whatever it is. It's to be able to change the outcome of their lives by giving them the ability to overcome their trauma and pain and change the next gen, change their lives and change the next generation one person at a time. So that's my battle, that's my mission is to help people to reconnect with themselves. Because majority of my life I didn't have those tools and I want to be able to gift those tools to others. Number one, to feel the calm within their nervous system, within their body, and know. Feel inherently what that feels like to shift the understanding of chaos that they've adopted to what it means and what it feels like to have a deep state of calm. And then how do I get back there? What happens when I get triggered? What happens if someone cuts me off? What happens if my partner says something to me to drive me into a state of a trigger state? Which is our life. And it's becoming more triggering every day with every, all this bullshit that's happening. So if we don't have those tools, we become, we become controlled. We become just the reactionary to everything else that's happening in our life. And we've given our power away. We've given our power. We've given our power away to not only people who don't deserve the power, but we're giving it to people who are abusing the power and turning it back on us. And that's why I think it's so important with what you just said, which was literally, I had goosebumps the whole time you were talking, is we have to reclaim our power, but then we have to use that power within ourselves to, I believe that when we center ourselves and we create that sense of calm, that it resonates out to other people. And they don't even know it. It doesn't, I have a friend who's so frenetic, and every time I'm around them, I'm just frenetic. Yes. And then I get in the car and I'm like, what happened? And I call it the pigpen effect, meaning, and to put that into reference. Charlie Brown. Yeah. Cartoon. There was Pigpen, the character who, everywhere he goes, there's just dust filtering around him. And I say, there are people that come into the space and kick up the dust. I have a client like that come into the space, kick up the dust, and everyone's lost and confused. And then the minute the dust settles, that person's gone. And we've just spent the last hour trying to figure out what the chaos was. And isn't that a perfect example of Trump? Yes. Yes. He knows how to kick up that dust. It is, but they're all doing that. Every one of them is doing that. They have an administration that's doing that. They're all kicking up dust so that we don't know where we're looking. And they're doing it. The whole system is that. That's what I'm saying. The whole system is designed to kick us, to kick up so much dust that we don't know which way is what. And if we lose this sense of connectivity to ourselves and to our humanity and to our empathy and to our love for our. Friends and family and strangers in our country and the universe and environment we're fucked. Excuse my expression, but that's what they're doing. And so I say this, you and I could talk forever, I say this, but I say it with authenticity and complete sincerity is I believe the world is a better place with people like you in it. Because it may seem insurmountable at times that when you say one person at a time, we talked about this before, sometimes you question, is the podcast helping? Is it making an impact? Are your sessions helping and making an impact? You may never know what someone who does a session with you, Isaac, what they experience the next day, the day after the day, the week after, the month after, and what they do to take that out into their world. Just as much as I don't know that a conversation's been had about a podcast, so I love the fact that there are people out in the world doing what you're doing, even if it is one person at a time, because that one person can spread to many. I also feel very compelled that we have to drown out the noise. Yes. With a conversation of intention and a conversation of peace, and when you be peace. I, I remember hearing a quote somewhere that said, it's much more empowering to be pro pe, pro peace as opposed to anti-war. Pro-life. Pro-life as opposed to anti-abortion. Pro. Diversity as opposed to anti L-G-B-T-Q because the minute you use anti, there's a negative connotation to it. So when we stand around being pro ourselves, pro us, pro our uniqueness, I love that. And just do you space. And that's yes, that's all we have.'cause at the end of the day, nobody cares about you, but you really, you've gotta take care of you. We're gonna put your information up on our social media. I wanna invite you to come back another time to maybe dig a little deeper into some of the experiences that people have had and some of the things that you see, which is what's important. Talk about some of the upcoming projects that you have. I have two final questions for you as we wrap this up.'cause like I said, I could talk to you for hours, but I wanna do this one. And can we also leave your audience with a tool that they can use? Yes. Yes. Oh, you're going to. Don't worry. Don't worry. So first question with the caveat. What's next for Isaac and Biot Tune and your journey? So I want to pro, we are providing this in wellness spaces and spas and beautiful properties across the world and within the United States. So when you go get a treatment it's enhanced with Biot tune so you can have a deeper session. And our goal, like someone came in for a migraine headache and left crying and connecting to what was underneath that headache. The headache was gone, the migraine was gone, but they really tapped into what was underneath it. And that's really what we would like to provide is to provide a sense of deep, calm restoration, emotional release during these therapeutic sessions, massages and aesthetic treatments and facials and the best spas in the world. That really is the foundation of supporting our on the groundwork of providing this to veterans at no cost. So that supports us and the work that we do so we can be able to continue expanding our work and taking to this this work to the Middle East. Today's my birthday and, oh, that's right. Happy birthday. Thank you so much. It became really in a meditation. It became really clear for me that I'm gonna launch a GoFundMe campaign. I'm trying to raise$13,000 to take this work. To Iran, to Israel, to the to these regions that are suffering from the trauma of what has happened, what has just transpired, and to provide them the tools to address their mental health and their wellbeing. I want to go train others. I don't necessarily want to facilitate all the sessions myself. I want to empower others so they can be able to lead this work in their communities. So that's the next immediate thing of action that I'm gonna take is launching that GoFundMe campaign. And I would love support and anyone that feels called to be able to support a mission like that. And then the third thing is we want to be able to. Provide this mechanisms of safety and wellbeing into people's own daily lives. So we can be able to feel better be more connected. And yeah, that's my, and that, I hope that answers your questions. Goose, goosebumps again. So before I ask my last question, what's the tool, what's the tip that you mentioned? Oh. So let's just get comfortable and we're gonna, bre, I'm gonna give you a a breathing mechanism that can help you to relax and fall asleep. It's it's a 4 7, 8 breath. All high performance athletes use this they use it in, in the military as well. It's used across in multiple different gamuts and imagine a triangle. So we're gonna breathe up four seconds. We're gonna hold our breath for seven seconds, and then the key is the long exhale. Eight seconds out. So this is how we're gonna go out and we're gonna I'm just gonna practice it with you for 30 seconds here because we're short on time. But I want you to be able to take this into your everyday life. No one sees you doing it. You can do it in meetings, you can do it when you're laying in bed and trying to fall asleep. So let's close our eyes for a second and just tune, slow everything down. Take a deep breath. So let's breathe in. 4, 3, 2, 1. Hold, and then exhale and let your breath. Last for as long as possible. Focusing on the smoothness of your exhale. Taking another deep breath in. 2, 3, 4, hold. And another deep exhale. So this is a tool that I would love for you to be able to take with you into your everyday life. I've seen veterans that have difficulty falling asleep five to 10 minutes of this exercise and they're out. We use this, I usually do something that's stimulating, that creates that energy of tension or anxiety so they can feel like their normal sense of what we experience in the world. And then we do this for five minutes and they're all out. Out. So I hope that I've given you a tool that will shape or shift our our everyday life. Thank you for that. And I'm gonna encourage people to put it into their practice. Don't give up. This is not a tangible, necessarily immediate result. It takes time, it takes practice. It's a muscle and it's a muscle. And it's what, 21 days, I think they say in order to do something, take it day by day. But I schedule it, I calendar it in. I have a little reminder. I love it every morning to do my breathing because I, that's a whole other. Podcast episode is breathing. But I'm a breath holder. I hold my breath a lot. Oh, okay. And it's a fight or flight response. And I've been using this breathwork practice, so I'm gonna take what you did. I'm gonna do it a couple times today, this weekend. Oh, I appreciate that so much. I have one final question for you. Yes. And I'll remind everyone that we're gonna put Isaac's information up on our social media. Also give access to Biot Tune. And even if you're not in Los Angeles, I encourage you to check it out, reach out, ask questions, have conversations because, oh, you know what? We're gonna make our app available to all of your audience. It gives access to five to 20 minute sessions. And they're designed to be able to in different states relaxation to increase focus and productivity, to improve sleep. So it's bite-size. Choose what you want to do, you and then choose the timeframe and go. I love that bite. We'll make that available. Great. We'll put it on our website. So my last question for you is this. Yeah. And before I ask the question, thank you for your time today. Thank you. And thank you for your journey and thank you for what you bring to my life and what you bring to everyone's life in this journey of healing and self-acceptance. It's a beautiful gift and I'm blessed to know you and have you in my space. If you could go back to that young Isaac that we talked about at the beginning of this podcast, and you could tell him about his life today, what would you tell him? It's all gonna work out and look at it's not even telling him, it's just giving him a hug to let him know that he's not alone and that he's gonna be okay. And that's what all little kids need is just that assurance and that love. Wow. I am so grateful to you and thank you for your time today. I'm grateful to you. This friendship means a lot. I'm so happy to have connected on that day and for our friendship to flourish over the years. Thank you so much for this time and opportunity. I really appreciate you. We'll talk again soon. Have a beautiful day. Bye for now. Bye for now. Alright, everyone, thank you again for joining us on today's episode. I hope our conversation resonated with you like it did me, and I cannot wait to sit down with you all again next week. Remember to subscribe to the Just You Podcast on your favorite platform so you can make sure not to miss a new episode, which drop every Thursday. If you like what you hear, you can easily share the podcast and episode. Directly with your friends and if you would rate us and leave us a review, we'd love to hear from you. You can also follow us on Instagram at just Do you pod as you go out into the world today. Remember to just do you. Alright, talk next week.